Is the Tim Burton Batman on it's Way to Being Forgotten

[Larry A.]

Hi P.P.,
You make a quite reasonable point, but it isn't that Bat Mite called Burton a "visionary" that I am concerned about, rather, it is the way He made his point. IMHO, it came across as possibly able to be interpreted as slander. I tend to be very conservative and protective of this board where I can, so I admit that I am VERY cautious how + what I say on it.....especially if someone ( like me) might misconstrue a comment of mine.
This comes as the sad result of just that happening on a ST board. Thank the stars that that board is permanently closed down. Yes, P.P., I'll call You a "visionary" as many times as it makes You feel good

Thanks for bringing Your concerns up to me..
Peace,

[Pat The Batman Fan]

When I do venture outside of that, it's Beware The Batman (animated). I bought all the episodes. Huge fan.

Wow. I thought I was the only one who liked it! It was really getting interesting towards the end of its all-too-brief run. I actually went to see Dum-Dum Girls and had them sign a custom piece I made. What a great theme song! Dee Dee Penny (now Kristin Kontrol) told me she actually wrote 5 different versions...

Speaking of different versions, I think it's great there are so many Batmans now that you can pick the different ones as you like. It's a testament to the fundamental strength of the character that he can have so many varied interpretations. And no matter how badly he gets beaten, he keeps coming back around.

[TP-6597]

Actually, that was me who wrote that about digging Beware The Batman. I love the return to his detective roots. If I had to pick one thing that may not have helped it, I'd say it's probably a bit more mature for kids e. g. more cerebral and dialogue-driven.

The push-back on it seemed to ramp-up in the same way all social media platforms allow for a movement. Once the vocal nerdosphere got their voices aligned, they wouldn't let up. I guess claiming victory is more meaningful than just watching something else.

Oh well. I bought the series and really like it. Here's a clip for anyone who may not be familiar.
https://youtu.be/NQ-DPrJvpSY

[Pat The Batman Fan]

Oops... Sorry for the misquote!

I've heard different reports on the show's demise, including that it wasn't toy-friendly enough. No one seems to know for sure. One thing is for sure, it wasn't given a fair chance.

[Larry A.]

Hi Pat! Are You a mind reader......long di8stance style?????? I'm asking because I was just thinging the very thing about Batman that You stated. I, too believe that Batman is lasting so long because there is a number of different versions available for the different generations of fans. I'm a prime example of such a fan. I started out with old copies of WW2 Batman, grew up with his 50's-60's version, later came in on the Burton version and much more recently got VERY interested and involved with the late 30s-prewar 40's Bat man.
It has been said that each generation renews and rewrites the heroes of the previous generations. Batman is not only proof of that statement, BUT that the character is flexible enough TO change with each generation.

Cheers!!!

[SprangFan]

Oh well. I bought the series and really like it. Here's a clip for anyone who may not be familiar.
https://youtu.be/NQ-DPrJvpSY

The CG is pretty weak in that clip; there's a "not quite finished" look to it like one of those storyboard "animatics". I found links to more clips of Batman fighting Deathstroke and they were about as clunky.

On the other hand, I used to never miss "Reboot" and that show looked a lot worse. In the end, if the story's good, I'll sit through most anything. I'll look around and see if maybe it's on Netflix. (Oddly I like the "Green Lantern" series from more or less around this time, and it can't have looked that terribly different).

Kind of distracting to hear Red Foreman's voice coming out of Gordon. Then again on BTAS it was the voice of Elroy from "McHale's Navy" (and Superboy from the Filmation cartoons) so if I can adjust to that, I can adjust to anything.

[Progress Pigment]

Oh well. I bought the series and really like it. Here's a clip for anyone who may not be familiar.
https://youtu.be/NQ-DPrJvpSY

Kind of distracting to hear Red Foreman's voice coming out of Gordon. Then again on BTAS it was the voice of Elroy from "McHale's Navy" (and Superboy from the Filmation cartoons) so if I can adjust to that, I can adjust to anything.

Interesting! I don't think I've ever seem McHale's Navy, but I have the old Superboy cartoons on dvd. He was a talented guy. And it turns out Bob Hastings did the goddawful Marsha/Pengy 3 parter! The thing with that stupid gold tank.

http://cscottrollins.blogspot.com/2013/ ... n-and.html



Sorry if I slandered the gold tank.



And it turns out he had a brother Don Hastings who was on soap operas for years & years. I remember seeing him as a kid. Small world.

[Golddragon71]

To the original question:
"Not as long as I live!" (Granted that's a strictly subjective statement but I felt it's as honest as any other opinion hereabouts.)
Batman '89 had come out just when my interest in Batman had been re-ignited some six months Earlier (The Death of Robin is actually what prompted me to start reading the comics full time.)
Is it perfect? No. But I loved it when i saw it and I still can watch it over and over again to this day.(Just like the '66 TV series and unlike the Nolan Films) Probably my favorite part about it is not the Prince Soundtrack but rather the Danny Elfman Score. Primarily the Main Title theme. The Theme did for Batman what Williams' Score did for Superman ten years earlier. It gave him an identifying theme. (One so good that it was adopted (if slightly modified) for use with the Animated series that followed) This is what so many of the following DC movies have missed since then.
I mean, I can hum the themes to the Adventures of Superman, Batman '66, Wonder Woman '77, Superman the Movie, Batman '89/Returns, The 1990 Flash TV series and Lois and Clark all off the top of my head at any given time. The music from Returns/&Robin by comparison is (IMHO) a cacophonic mess that is largely forgetable. The Nolan Films are slightly better than the Schumakers Music wise but still lack the essential ingredient of an underlying recognizable theme for the hero. (note again that this is about the scores by Danny Elfman, Elliot Goldenthal, Hanz Zimmer and James Newton Howard)

[SprangFan]

Agreed Elfman's score is terrific, and one element of the film I enjoyed without reservation. That one track where the Batmobile is driving through the countryside on the way to the cave, throwing up leaves, gave me goosebumps then and still never fails to please.

I have to say, though, that I can't remember Elfman's "Flash" theme so well; it always turns into his "Dick Tracy" and vice-versa. I think he kind of fell into a rut there with the comic book stuff around that time period. His later "Spider-Man" theme was different, though. And The Simpsons.

Also agree that John Williams' Superman theme did a LOT to help put over that "you will believe a man can fly" tagline. The right music can sell even otherwise hard-to-swallow stuff on screen. Similarly, I always thought the reason all the outrageous space action in "Moonraker" worked for me was because of John Barry's score. The model work was very good but not flawless; it was the music that made you want to believe.

Zimmer's stuff I don't get at all. Three or four notes (just TWO for Man of Steel!) do not a theme make.

[Golddragon71]

I might also point out that as long as this Batmobile holds center court at Six Flags, Batman 89 will have a bit of life left to it

[Progress Pigment]

Yeah, and look at all the attention it's getting! One lady with her back turned? They might as well fill it with dirt & turn it into a planter!

From Vanity Fair's Batmobile rankings: 1989–92, Batman/Batman Returns: Other people go bat-guano for Tim Burton and his “unique” K-Mart acid-trip aesthetic. We don’t. And this over-Decorated car, used in his Gothic Gotham reboots, perfectly reflects what we dislike about his indulgent sensibility. Also, it looks like a Corvette with a culvert pipe-sized coke straw shoved up its nose, an image that would ordinarily compel us, but just doesn’t seem very heroic.