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gothosmansion wrote:The only bad thing about the episode is that it would mark Julie's final appearance on the series. She would definitely be missed in the third season.
To be fair, Eartha Kitt made Catwoman evil again, as opposed to the oft-discussed schoolgirl-crush storyline that became rampant toward the end of S2. Though, if the producers would have been gutsy, they would have continued the latter storyline, just to see the suits at ABC stroke out over an interracial relationship in 1967-68.

Eartha also had the misfortune to play Catwoman when the show ran on a shoestring budget.
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Citizens,

The schoolgirl crush Catwoman had on Batman may have come to a natural conclusion in Julie's second season's final appearance. In a rare arc of continuity, it made sense.

Julie was fantastic in her first appearance, competing with male villains and surpassing many who appeared later in the series. In her second appearance, after she tries t kill him, Batman saves her life and she falls for him. In her next appearance, she tries to render Batman and mindless automaton who will remain in her power. In the next story, she tries gives him a choice of partnership or death at Robin's hand. Her primary trap in the Sandman crossover is not lethal and she induces Robin to literally walk into it.

Then we come to her college fling. Here, in her original plan, she frames Batman so that he is improbably arrested. When this gambit fails, she falls back on killing him and Robin by dissolving them in a gigantic coffee cup with acid. By the end of the episode, Batman has rejected her again and packed her back off to prison. Despite some of Eartha Kitt's dialogue, she may be over him. Maybe.

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About Newmar's final appearance, a few months back (in the "Favorite Epilogue" thread) I posted:
3. We are back to the jailhouse departures--again with Wayne--this time, Catwoman is the subject in the epilogue of "Batman Displays His Knowledge" as she effectively kills Bruce's notion of any sort of relationship with Catwoman as the real man, instead of the costumed man she desired. In hindsight, since this turned out to be Newmar's final series appearance as Catwoman, the dialogue served as a somewhat tender closing to her version of the character, not to mention the most "serious" romantic interest Wayne and/or Batman ever enjoyed over the span of all three seasons.
Aside from the shortcomings in this Catwoman story, that send off (in-universe and behind the scenes) makes it memorable.
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I agree that part 2 falls apart. Also some interesting things to notice-this is one of the few batfights that Batman & Robin actually loose by being beaten up. Yes, Robin gets put to sleep by Sandman, but he was pretty much "out for the count" before Sandman gets him. And Batman is clearly beaten by the henchmen (very rare).
I read the original script-and I admit it's a lot better. Robin is tied in the Batmobile and the car is about to be destroyed by a car crushing machine. Sandman also uses a cigar to put people to sleep (not the stethoscope they use in the show). He smokes Batman and says "Relax Batman"-before blowing it into his face.
So my review is I like part one and I hate part two (even though I do love Catwoman).
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Sorry, I was talking about the Sandman episode (I'm way behind)-THANKS!
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Hey Amusementfilms,

Thanks for checking in and for sharing some details of the Sandman story as it evolved. Interesting stuff of which not all of us are aware. So, as the Batmobile is to be destroyed, only Robin is imprisoned aboard?

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amusementfilms wrote: I read the original script-and I admit it's a lot better. Robin is tied in the Batmobile and the car is about to be destroyed by a car crushing machine. Sandman also uses a cigar to put people to sleep (not the stethoscope they use in the show). He smokes Batman and says "Relax Batman"-before blowing it into his face.
Are the original scripts available anywhere online? I know of a fandom that put all of their show's scripts online, but being somewhat new here I didn't know if there was anything here like that, or if there are even many of the Batman scripts that are available and have been seen by members.
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I'm wondering if they decided to use the car crushing idea (with the obvious variation --the Duo in armor) for the Penguin/Marsha episode that was shown a month after Sandman's appearance.
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Yes, I'm new here, too, and wondered about the scripts. I would love to read the original Sandman script, especially after reading writer Ellis St. Joseph's comments in Joel Eisner's Bat Book.
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Regarding last night's episode s "A Piece Of The Action"/"Batman's Satisfaction". These are the only episodes where the villain isn't front and center. This made Gumm's plot seem shallow and unfocused, because the villain had fewer scenes than usual.

I don't know how good a vehicle this episode was as a crossover to attract viewers to The Green Hornet. The shows were very different with GH taking itself much more seriously than Batman. I remember the first time I saw Green Hornet. I expected it to be more like Batman and I was a little disappointed. I grew to like the Hornet watching it in syndication. It's sort of like doing a cross over between Addams Family ad Dark Shadows or Mission Impossible and Get Smart. While you might have fans who like both shows, they like them for different reasons and merging the two is difficult.
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clavierankh wrote:Regarding last night's episode s "A Piece Of The Action"/"Batman's Satisfaction". These are the only episodes where the villain isn't front and center. This made Gumm's plot seem shallow and unfocused, because the villain had fewer scenes than usual.
Gumm was the wrong villain, and his crime simlly too small. When you have a script loaded with no less than four heroes, TPB needed a villain and conflict worthy of the attention. They had such a template in the Batman movie, where 4 villains required a larger threat that keeps the heroes running/struggling until the climax.

The missed to-do list:

1. Instead of a made-for-TV villain, the crossover should have used the Joker--only a sensible scripter would suggest Romero play it as in his 1st appearance, where there was a sinister edge to the criminal clown act. Romero was sharp, and could trade barbs with constumed enemies easily, while we--the audience--would find him a believable opponent (again, if in 1st appearance form).

2. Stunts. First-run friends have told me over the years that in 1966/67, a Robin vs. Kato fight was THE desired happening they wanted to see on the show, but as exciting as the fight was (overall), the PTB should have asked Ward and Lee to work out something involving more martial arts (within reason). Ward had displayed his own training from time to time on the show and movie, so of all times to incorporate it in a Batfight, this would have been it.

3. A three-parter might have served this crossover well, and allowed for more true identity scenes, or more time dedicated to the villain's motivation/crime set-up.
I don't know how good a vehicle this episode was as a crossover to attract viewers to The Green Hornet. The shows were very different with GH taking itself much more seriously than Batman. I remember the first time I saw Green Hornet. I expected it to be more like Batman and I was a little disappointed. I grew to like the Hornet watching it in syndication. It's sort of like doing a cross over between Addams Family ad Dark Shadows or Mission Impossible and Get Smart. While you might have fans who like both shows, they like them for different reasons and merging the two is difficult.
The difference in the Dozier series is that unlike Get Smart to M:I, Batman was not a sitcom next to a straight action/drama series. Batman did not start out as My Favorite Martian or The Munsters. If one looks at more than half of Batman's 1st season, it was not outlandish enough that anyone would think it impossible for a crossover. In fact, one of the reasons why the crossover happened at all was the strong interest from the two series' fanbases, as comparisons were as common as the sun rising.
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I don't believe this. We're almost done with Season 2, so there are a few more episodes I have yet to see, (I'd started watching weekly with the beginning of 3rd season,) and ME-TV is going to just air them randomly now, without finishing the season! ARGH! Why on earth would they do that?

Next week my listings have The Ogg And I/How To Hatch A Dinosaur, and the following week is The Minstrel. This is really maddening. I could still watch the few remaining episodes on youtube, but of course pieces will be cut out of them :(
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Gleeps, it's Batman wrote:Next week my listings have The Ogg And I/How To Hatch A Dinosaur, and the following week is The Minstrel. This is really maddening.
I noticed that, too, and cannot figure out why Me-TV is doing this, as there are only 4 second season adventures left. I know that they skipped the Egghead-Olga two-parter when airing the third season episodes on Saturday mornings in the summer (again, an odd programming decision), so I can see wanting to air it, but why not wait until its proper place in the rotation, assuming that they will air season 3 after they finish with season 2.
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LittleLouisGroovy wrote:
Gleeps, it's Batman wrote:Next week my listings have The Ogg And I/How To Hatch A Dinosaur, and the following week is The Minstrel. This is really maddening.
I noticed that, too, and cannot figure out why Me-TV is doing this, as there are only 4 second season adventures left. I know that they skipped the Egghead-Olga two-parter when airing the third season episodes on Saturday mornings in the summer (again, an odd programming decision), so I can see wanting to air it, but why not wait until its proper place in the rotation, assuming that they will air season 3 after they finish with season 2.
Not to mention the fact that who rushes through Season 2 to get to the (mostly) awful S3?
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I used ME-TV's contact page and sent them a message about my displeasure.
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